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The following is an original (and not fluent :+) ) message based solely
on the vocabulary and grammar in Chapter 1 & 2 of Mícheál ó Siadhail's
_Learning Irish_. Elem IG learners can post questions or corrections on
G-L Elem IG Beg, or post a follow up message in Irish (based upon the
same chapters) as in a *group pen pal mode.*  Sean is posting a message
on Sept 18 based on Ch 1 & 2, Tomás on Sept 25 based on 3 & 4 (combining
3 & 4 because of the grammatical brevity of 3). Need volunteer for Oct 2
based on 3-4. Message follows:

Tom at á orm. Cén chaoi a bhfuil tu?  Níl mé duine ard.  Níl
múinteoir ar bith anseo ach tá mé anseo.  Tá fear agus gasúir
anseo.  Níl sibh anseo ach a oiread ach tá mé anseo. Tá mé sasta.
Tá mé anseo ach tá bord agus lampa ansin.  Go raibh maith 'ad.
Oíche mhaith.  Tom

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LLLLLLLLL Please correct and/or comment upon LLLLLLLLL

A chara,

Tomás at á orm freisin.  A bhfuil Tomás eile ann?  Deir Tom go bfhuil
fear agus gasuir ansiúd, ach nach bfhuil múinteoir ansiúd.  An bfhuil
daoine eile ansiúd?  Cén chaoi a bhfuil siadsan?

Slán leat,

Tomás Pollard


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Correct my last message to: Tá Dianne anseo ach níl sí ina
múinteoir    nó (or)  ní múinteoir  í.

Caoimhín, go raibh maith 'ad.

End. Tom Clemens  [e-mail]


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I have prepared a workbook of exercises to accompany ó Siadhail for use in
my beginning Irish classes at the U of Minnesota, to address the weakness
I see in the text of providing only translation exercises (ugh!).  My exer-
cises are the strictly mechanical manipulation type, which students find
useful as a foundation before proceeding to more creative use of the language:
e.g., things like tense changing, choosing the right mutation, gender agreement,
   preposition choice, etc.  Not fascinating reading, but necessary practice,
at least for those whose learning style is formally oriented.  If learners
would like, I can post a few of these exercises each week (there are quite
a lot for some of the meatier chapters), perhaps before the readings come
up, since I may not always have access to my e-mail on Fridays.  Let me
know if there's interest in exercises of this sort.
        Regarding "tá sé múinteoir', etc., this doesn't work, I'm afraid.
Tá SOMEBODY_______ is a sentence type which allows the blank to be filled
only by an adjective, adverb, or prepositional phrase, not a noun or noun
phrase.  For the type "I am a teacher" see lesson 12.  Alternatively, it
can be done with tá and a possessive pronound matching the subject (lesson 10):
Ta mé i mo mhúinteoir.
Nancy Stenson


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I don't have much to offer from lesson 1, since the focus is largely on
pronunciation, which we drill in class.  Here are a few dialogs based
on common greetings which ó Siadhail in his wisdom doesn't see fit to
introduce until lesson 23. Most may be familiar to beginners anyway.

A.  Ruairí:  Dia dhuit.
    Bríd:    Dia 's Muire dhuit.
    Ruairí: Mise Ruairí.
    Bríd:  Mise Bríd.  Cén chaoi a bhfuil tú?

B.  B:  Dia dhuit a Ruairí.
    R:  Dia 's Muire dhuit, a Bhríd.  Cé hiad sin?
    B.  Gabh mo leithscéal.  Seo í úna agus sin í Cáit.
    R.  Dia dhaoibh.  Cén chaoi a bhfuil sibh?

C.  R:  Dia dhuit.  Cén t-ainm atá ort?
    P:  Peige atá orm.  Agus cén t-ainm atá ortsa?
    R:  Mise Ruairí.
    P:  Cén chaoi a bhfuil tú a Ruairí?
    R:  Go maith.  Agus thusa?
    P.  Tá mise go maith freisin.

Now try filling in the blanks in the following:

D.  Bríd:  __________ dhaoibh.
    Máirtín agus úna:  Dia 's ___________ dhuit.
    Bríd:  Cé hí sin?
    M:     Seo _______ úna.
    B:     Tá __________ romhat a úna.  Bríd ________ orm.

E.  Cáit:  Dia ______________.
    Máirtín:   __________________ dhuit.
                 Mise Máirtín.
    C:  Mise _____________.  Cén chaoi __________________ tú?
    M:  Tá mé go _____________.  Agus thusa?
    C:  __________ maith.

F.  úna agus Bríd:   ___________ dhuit.
    Cáit: Dia 's Muire ___________.  _________ chaoi a bhfuil sibh?
    U:   Tá mé go maith, go raibh ___________ 'ad.
    B:   Agus ______ mise go ___________ freisin.  An ________ tusa
         go maith?   (see lesson 2 for the question form)
    C:   ___________ muise!  An bhfuil Ruairí anseo?
    B:   Níl a fhios agam.
    ú:  Níl sé  ___________ anois.
    C:   ___________ sin é?

[Oops, I see some of lesson 2 has slipped into that last one. If other phrases
are unfamiliar and can't be figured out from context don't panic.  Most of
it shows up in the first few lessons, except the various forms of hello,
which are in 23, as mentioned above.  I might note that sometimes I intro-
duce additional material into my course that I find necessary for classroom
interaction before ó Siadhail gets to it (like 'I don't know in dialogue F).
Some of that stuff finds its way into the exercises.  I'll try to edit it
out when I post things, but if I miss some, please forgive me and treat it
as a learning experience.  After all, even the very experienced learners
won't necessarily understand every word they encounter, so you might as well
get used to it. I'll post some from lesson 2 next week.  I'll try for
Thursdays, but my schedule won't always permit consistency.  For those who
expressed preference for keeping it all on Friday, this is as close as I
can guarantee, since my computer won't always be accessible on Fridays; if
there turns out to be a preference earlier in the week, it can always be
shifted.  Sorry for all the Béarla.  I'll keep it down to instructions
in the future.]
                        Nancy